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I believe there is a totally different reality from the one being discussed. Former Reagan economist Paul Craig Roberts lays it out in his article: The Health Care Deceit

"The reason there is a health care crisis in the US is that the cumulative loss of jobs and benefits has swollen the uninsured to approximately 50 million Americans. They cannot afford health insurance any more than employers can afford to provide it.

It is absurd to mandate that people purchase what they cannot afford and to fine them for failing to do so. A person who cannot pay a health insurance premium cannot pay the fine.

These proposals are like solving the homeless problem by requiring the homeless to purchase a house.

In his speech Obama said “we’ll provide tax credits” for “those individuals and small businesses who still can’t afford the lower-priced insurance available in the exchange” and he said low-cost coverage will be offered to those with preexisting medical conditions. A tax credit is useless to those without income unless the credit is refundable, and subsidized coverage doesn’t do much for those millions of Americans with no jobs. "

I would highly recommend reading the full article no matter what side of the isle you are on.

Another article by Paul Craig Roberts totally related to this subject is How the Economy was Lost

I can only assume we don't see Mr. Roberts in the main stream media, is because he doesn't have anything to say a corporate advertiser would approve of -- that includes MSNBC who's owned by General Electric and Microsoft.

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What do we as a society value for its people? I think that is the question for our lawmakers! It is a good question for you!

I am sick of listening to the whining and complaining of those who who have and are so afraid of a public option. Do they not see that before a penny is spent on coverage PROFITS have to be made for shareholders and Health Corporations? Do they not see that subscribers ARE denied to chose their provider if it is outside of their providers network? Do they not see that people die on the streets every day? Do they not see that it is at least three time expensive to treat the uninsured in an emergency room? Do they not see that treatment IS socialized medicine (at three times the cost) when treating the uninsured in an emergency room? DO they not see that Military and VA Medicine IS SOCIALIZED Medicine? How about Medicare? Right on, Socialized Medicine! Costly? Yes! Needed? Absolutely! Just try to take it away!

Ironically these are some of the people who have been brainwashed by the media, sensationalized by the Limbaughs, Hannertys, Coulters and their like who have never missed a meal in their lives nor will, have probably made money off Health Industry stocks! Do you really think they care about you? They only care about their rating, otherwise they would run for Office and make the changes. This will NEVER happen because they make thens of millions of dollar a year to stir the masses!

These are the same people and Lawmakers that go to church Sundays or are called Christians. What a joke! True Christians look after their neighbors and fellow human being! Hypocrites!

NO ONE should be without Health Care at what ever the cost! NO ONE should suffer or be afraid of losing everything they have worked hard for because of an illness or loss of job!

If there is a WILL to bail out bad behaviors of Capitalism then there should be a WILL to supply Health Care to all the people who are citizens. Big business, Corporations are allowed to take jobs from Americans and outsource them out a less than living wages and bring back the products to America without appropriate taxing is incomprehensible. They should share the burden also.

IF Heath Care was a PRIORITY for citizens, funding would be found as it is for bailouts and wars!

The cost will only be covered if the people we elect weren't so obligated to lobbyists and their own greed to fill their reelection coffers. They should serve the people not lobbyists. I end with the question. "What do we as a society value for all of our people?" Interested to hear your answer.

BTW: I feel the same about Education.

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Where do I start off to Richard's Response? First of all I do not see the government running anything right when they are in charge of these big government programs. Let look at Social Security. There is no S.S. Trust. In 1966 the government borrowed from S.S. to fund all these "Great Society Programs" that was to erraticate poverty and today we have more poverty than we had in 1966. Look what the Democratic told us about Medicare and Medicade back in 1967 and 1968 that it would we solvent through the 90's. It will be broke in 2017 and I have been forced to pay into these programs.
Diana has mentioned look the the stock market and how risky it is? Guess what Diana, the dollar that is taken from my pay check is gone being paid to a current receipant. At least with my stock portfillo even though I lost 40% in the last year, it is mine. The money I put into S.S. since 1981 may not be their when I retire 15 yrs from now.
Richard what makes you think that Socialize Medicine will cure all these problems? The U.K. has horrible socialize medicine and if you don't think do some home work on it.
You are right that VA is Socialize Medicine and here in San Antonio, Tx we have a large VA hospital but you now something it does have a good reputatiion. The doctors that are working there are mostly interns. In the 70's they were mostly experience specialists.
The Catholic Hospital like Santa Rosa will work with you. on what you can afford. On Fridays show Diana had a caller from SA call in that she was out of work with medical needs and no insurance. We have a county clinic that will work with indigent patients on scale bases on what you can afford.

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